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The Dead Are Indeed Dead

Many of us already are well aware of the truth of the above title, BUT many around us are not.  It was one of the first lies introduced by Satan, and continues to blind so many.  I suggest you take the time to read this article on this truth, that we are ALL dead UNTIL the Resurrection:

http://www.inthebeginning.org/kingdom/ramey/lifepromisedintroduction.pdf

Another truth we must be aware of is, that the timing for this Resurrection is essential to understand.  Many of the religious systems of this world continue to teach that the followers of Jesus Christ will not be impacted by the end time events, and will not experience any tribulation.  May be "nice" to "think" that that is the truth, BUT it is not what the scriptures declare.  Firstly, why would we be exempt from tribulation, when tribulation, and persecution, is clearly depicted in scripture (and history) for virtually all who have stood for the truth of the gospel?  All we have to do is read Revelation 11 to see the timing of Christ's coming to establish His earthly coming kingdom. 

Revelation 11:15 is A KEY VERSE. 

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “ The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

Please read the events leading up to the 7th trumpet,(the previous 6 trumpets have already happened).  The scriptures clearly depict the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation being a time before Christs return and the resurrection and gathering together.  The second 3 1/2 years (Great Tribulation) happens after a 1,000 year period (this depicting the time span when Satan is bound up).  Many refer to the "Millennium reign of Jesus Christ", yet the scriptures do not, they make it clear it is not limited to 1,000 years (His reign continues into "the ages of the ages").  So those teaching we get sucked up into heaven for a 7 year period, thereby missing any tribulation are teaching "another gospel". Galatians 1:9. 
This is a Chart which shows some of the events, and the scriptural backing for the timing of these events.

http://www.inthebeginning.org/kingdom/ramey/overviewchart.pdf

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  • Well, I bought my computer in December.  Windows 8 is cumbersome.  I also use Firefox.  I'll try again later.

    Thanks.

  • Hi Ric,

    Odd.  (I use Firefox) I clicked the link then clicked on a teaching and a dialog box opened and asked me if I wanted to play the file or download it.  Using Windows.  I have Firefox extension FlashGot installed.  I also tried IE and it gave me no problems.

  • Steve, 

    I clicked on 'teachings' and tried to download the teaching to listen to it, All it did was loop me back to the previous page.  Is there a secret I should know?

  • I would recommend that everyone listen to Doug Seed's teachings on The Hope which can be found here.

    Need to remember that the 1st Century Church lost things in this order:  The Great Mystery of the One Body, the believer's perfect standing in Christ, the Hope of Christ's return.  So, if we are messed up on the hope that means we are at the end of the road, about to make a left turn into the ditch of theological destruction.

    http://www.muchword.com/hope_new.htm
  • Oh yes the administrations, I would suggest looking up the history of Darby and crew, about how and why they ever came up with the idea of administrations. Quick summary, the scriptures did not fit their already established theology, so they came up with the heresy of administrations.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby

    Two "ages" I see depicted in the scriptures are this present evil age:
    Galatians 1:4
    who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,

    And the earthly kingdom age to come which lasts into the ages: Ephesians 1:21
    far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

    Anything else is the theology of men. Iain
  • Oops noticed a typo: www.thegrovebiblefellowship.com
    THE GROVE BIBLE FELLOWSHIP
  • Hi Ric, no need to apologize, I hope your comments and mine are not deleted, we should be free to express our understanding even when we are not in agreement. Not sure what you refer to here, as I do not believe we get "sucked up into heaven for a 7 year period", far from it, I think the scriptures are very clear that we are gathered to Him "in the clouds" on His return, and that this transpires when Revelation 11:15 has happened, which if you read the context prior,a whole three and half years of tribulation has passed. In terms of Romans 5, we must read Chapters 1:1-ff to the end of the book to understand the context of that verse. Firstly it is referring to the faithful in 1:7,8 (is that everyone I think not) these are saints and the faithful. These are people who are dying to sin in their lives and living righteously. I would encourage you not to take verses out of their context, I know we were taught that, yet looking back I did it all the time,whole teaching context. Like how I used to understand Romans 10:9,10 right out of its contact, and twisted it to mean, "do these verses and you are going to be ok". Clearly not true, I deal with these verses and more on our web site, which you may, or may not, want to visit. It is only The Lord that opens our eyes to the terrible error we were taught in The Way Corps and the Way in general. I pray you read this verse, never far from my mind Matthew 11:27, yes I know it is in Matthew, but Paul also said in Acts how relevant the Hebrew Scriptures were to Him Acts 24:14-15
    But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

    Now the question I would be asking is if there is only ONE Resurrection in view at this time, then surely the unrighteous must also be among Gods people, 1Cor 15 makes it clear as to one resurrection, and Daniel 12:2 says there are TWO outcomes for Gods people. Please feel free to email me if you wish in case this is all deleted. Iainmacmillan1@gmail.com. Web site is www.grovebiblefellowship.com. God bless Iain
  • Not to mention, this bs totally negates the administrations.

  • Ian, 

    Romans 5:9 covers this very plainly.  You're Corps.  You should know that the difficult verse must be understood in light of the clear verse.  Otherwise, what's the point?  It makes God a liar to remove Romans 5:9 from the context of what you claim.  I Thessalonians 4:17 would also become a lie if your thinking that we are sucked up into heaven for a 7 year period.  "So shall we ever be with the Lord" is either a lie or the truth.  You can't have it both ways.  Just because you have a burr in your saddle and unbelief does not make it true.  The Old Testament is held in suspension until the return of Jesus Christ as described in I Thessalonians 4.  So,  for the link you provided to quote scripture from the OT to substantiate error is error in itself.  

    Since this site is not supposed to get into doctrinal differences, I appologize for being compelled to address this blog which is a testament and witness of how the Adversary talked so many great believers out of the truth.  I am sure this blog will be deleted very soon.  I am not here to argue.  Everyone gets one shot with me.  You just had yours.  What you do with it is up to you.

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