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Here is a link to the origins of the line of Seth/line of Cain controversy, which began its rounds when celibacy was infiltrating the Roman Church. I think the part about the fulfillment of prophecy is what finally set it for me years ago.
http://ldolphin.org/noahdays.html
Shalom, David
I do not choose to categorize myself in any way. I quite frankly wouldn't know what to say I am other than what the word says I am. But in a future blog on this subject you might see that perhaps we are like-minded on this subject as well.
On the topic of "sons of God," in Job, where "the sons of God" appeared before God (Job 1:6), it says that "Satan also came among them." If language and logic mean anything, this verse is telling us that Satan was in addition to and separate from "the sons of God" and was not OF that camp. In other words, Satan was not a "son of God" like the rest of the angelic beings there. He came ALSO along with them. I believe this is telling us we cannot categorize Satan or any of his minions as "sons of God." To do so would throw out dozens of clear verses for the sake of one unclear verse in Genesis 6. - Gary
BTW, I am not a dispensationalist. Are you?
Sue
It's a little off the main subject of the blog actually, but it's still interesting to me.
I believe the term "sons of God" applies to both angels and men, but that just because it occurs in the OT doesn't mean that it must pertain to angels.
I tend to take the simple or plain interpretation over the esoteric. I don't take stock in much spiritually except God's word.
I believe the term "the sons of God" in Genesis 6 is set in contrast to "the daughters of men" and that the believers' line from Seth is contrasted with the unbelievers' line from Cain there. One group is "of God," and the other group is 'of men." As Eve led Adam astray, and the women of idolatrous, pagan nations led Israel astray, so "the daughters of men" led "the sons of God" astray, and this led to the degradation of mankind that resulted in the flood judgement.
I don't believe that angels, as wonderful and powerful as they are, can, against God's will, create life, the life of a sperm compatible with a human egg resulting in the creation of a new type of being never seen on Earth before, neither truly human, nor truly angelic, but some hybrid form in between. Whatever happened to everything after its kind? I could almost swallow angels mating with angels and making baby angels, because I've seen them on Christmas cards, but angels with men? Isn't that a bit of a stretch? I doubt the science behind that and the unprecedented biblical novelty of it too.
The angels that left their "first estate" could refer to Satan sweeping a third of the angels from their position of serving God to serving him instead. Not sure. Is there some reason why that verse has to apply to Genesis 6? What's the solid connection there?
Jesus Christ is the "everlasting father" (Isaiah 9:6) who never had a literal child but spawned a whole generation of spiritual children ("seed") who will follow and love him forever by saving every believer who lived before and after him.
Galatians 3:16 says Christ is the "seed" referred to there. That doesn't mean he gets planted anywhere, but that he is the offspring about whom the prophecy pertains.
And Jesus directed the term "born again" to the people of Israel (Nicodemus) because they were relying on their pedigree for salvation and Christ was pointing out that another birth was necessary for them to get saved. The gentiles are referred to as being sons by "adoption." They had no concept of relying on being a chosen people. Now both groups experience a "regeneration" in salvation as Titus 3:5 states, but the message "you must be born again" really didn't go out to the gentiles because it didn't apply to them in the context of what Jesus was saying to Nicodemus.
I truly believe that our spiritual regeneration has nothing to do with spiritual sperm and babies coming out of wombs, but that it has everything to do with beginning a whole new life with the spiritual life we are infused with
by the Spirit of God that now dwells within us.
God bless you all and thank you for joining in. - Gary
The Greek word here for seed is "sperma"
Christ did say we must be born-again (John 3:5-7) Spirit gives birth to spirit.
The seed that we were born from above with is the Word of God... (Peter)
As in Romans 10 it is called "the word of faith"...
the seed is not the spirit... the spirit is not the seed...
I believe that that's what was being worked here...
Until that is understood all this "sonship" stuff even as regarding the devil will be misunderstood...
But that's what I was looking at... and I applaud the distinction...
:) Bob
Prophecy about the LJC - "Yet it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring (Hebrew zera) and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand." (Zera can mean descendants, children also.)
I don't believe that it takes away from God's Word but is a great augmenting aspect that we can recognize.
Shalom and Charis,
David
Which is an ancient Jewish religion. I did however find the information provided above, enlightening.
Very appropriate to my queries...
Thanks...
:) Bob
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