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May 20th, 2010 is 25 years since Dr. Wierwille fell asleep. I still miss him, and am thankful for his
life and what he meant to me. He loved and believed in me and accepted me when no one else did.

He taught me to love and respect God, Jesus Christ, my parents, my country, fellow believers, and fellow men and women. Above all, he taught me to read the Bible and walk on it, realizing Jesus Christ was the only one who walked perfectly.

Dr. had as many flaws as the rest of us; after all he was human and needed a savior, too. I had the honor of him yelling at me once--but he had a way of making me feel good about it. Wasn't that "tough love"?

He also made me laugh, cry, and feel the joy of living. At a time when I was so hardened I couldn't feel any emotion whatsoever, his teaching and love reached down and cracked through the rock and made me able to feel once again.

I still appreciate the "Family of God" he tried to get us to be a part of and live in. He got us to work together, play together, laugh together, cry together, and boy oh boy did we EAT together!! I am abundantly thankful for all of those--many of YOU here on this site--who helped me along the way. I know you because of him!

My life is infinitely better because of Dr. Wierwille. His ministry reached me when no one else's did.

If anyone would like to share an incident or story where Dr. Wierwille helped or enhanced your life, please feel free to post it here. I'd appreciate it, and others might, too!
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  • It heals my life to read these wonderful comments. Yes, we have come a long way, with all the up's and downs but...
    So very thankful that I can call John/John/Mark/Janis/Rex/Michael and so on, my friends.
    Party on guys and gals, it's just now beginning to get better and better. God love to you all!
  • The first time I ever heard the accurate Word of God was 30 years ago, when J.P. Wierwille's W.O.W. family taught it to me in Miami Florida. He told me so much about his Dad, and after that year, I also decided to sign up and go W.O.W. During my years in residence, I would hear Dr. Wierwille, either in person or on tape, say, "You won't start to appreciate your training until 10 or 20 years after you graduate." Now I work in a plush casino in Vegas, and sometimes I feel like I am the only one standing. That is when I thank God for an incredible teacher, who instilled in me a tremendous love and respect for the integrity of God's Word, and moreover, how to put it into application. The training wasn't perfect, but I would do it all over again if I had the chance.
  • Well, for the time it was it was a great time and like all times do, they changed.

    "...make sure she savors the simple things in life in her journey and to make those count."

    Good advice, John.
  • "Today I know more than I did then but the simple realities haven't changed and the more I know, the less I'm aware I really know."

    Profound and so true. What popped into my mind when I read that part was the famous 1964 Bob Dylan lyric from My Back Pages ......sing it with me baby boomers....."I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now".
    John, I missed that early simple era when, I believe, things were more genuine at its core. By 1974 when I came along with thousands upon thousands per year to follow it was Dr. Wierwille, thank you very much, the "Man of God of the World, a title I am not sure he cared for and placed upon him by the ever increasing zeal of youthful and sometimes wayward commitment, thereby planting the seeds of legalism to follow, which would grow at a snails pace choking all in its path. (Hows that for some metaphor?)

    Anyway, I am glad you chimed in here as one who was from those early days when things were quite different than what later groups may have experienced. But I believe there was great learning and good benefits to be had at both ends of the spectrum.

    Today I sat down and hand wrote a letter to my daughter in Boston. Just pen and ink, envelope and all. It was fun. It had been years since I did that. Among other things I advised her to make sure she savors the simple things in life in her journey and to make those count. It seems in the greater scheme of things, those are what we remember most and what seem to affect us most.

    Like cooking hamburgers (Janis). Or being in some isolated farm in Ohio on a Saturday night around a campfire in the quiet woods listening to a man called VP (John) with a bunch of close knit young friends from all over the country, attempting to better our lives and better the world. Priceless!
  • I respected him as my teacher. I loved him as my brother, and I liked him because I got to cook hamburgers with him and he gave me his final lapel rose from Camp Gunnison. I in turn gave a rose petal to Bob Stanley upon learning of Dr.s death. And I am thankful to God for him teaching me HOW.
  • Hi John, happy Saturday! You wrote "Being an optimist at heart...'

    We've had some good exchanges over the years, Hope, Janet, yourself and I. Along with many others I think that describes how Janet and I see this overall topic. The analogy of the glass of water - half full or half empty - comes to mind. I like to joke that I'm really a pessimistic optimist. Long ago I realized that indeed the "glass" is always half full in this life. There's always more to learn, more to do, more to be, etc. etc. (no big illumination but more a slow burn of reality's candle) It's not rocket science - an abundance of life as full as what I read described in the bible requires a critical component to fully realize it and enjoy it - time, duration. Over time the seasons change, the ups and downs occur. Kinda corny sounding but even as I acknowledge what I still would describe as "the greatness of God's Word" and it's realities the realization of it is too big, too much, too large to act upon in a single moment. In this life I can only do what I can do, now, this time. A degree of patience and understanding will allow us to enjoy life's goodness.

    Along the lines of what the Bible says, my version: "When it rains, everybody gets wet". Much of this life is what we make of it. I may shield myself from it to stay dry, someone else welcome it to their ground, still another catch it and store it. Much of life is ours to manage and therein lies the lesson - manage as best we can, choose and choose wisely with the expectation that that glass can go either way. : )

    When I first met "Dr. Weirwille" he was "VP". The Way Nash was "The Farm". The "believers" were friends and family. "Researching the Bible" was simply reading it and seeing what it sounded like when allowed to speak. God was Someone to know and come to with an open heart - not an "I already know" heart but one that followed Jesus Christ, The Way, The Truth, The Life, the path whose life showed me to God.

    Today I know more than I did then but the simple realities haven't changed and the more I know, the less I'm aware I really know. I wouldn't change knowing this one thing however - that my life (with all of it's failings and faults) is better now than what I could have imagined all those years ago. For that I'm forever grateful and will be at the top of my list of "things to do" everyday: *Remember to say "thank you, God".
  • I third it Mike. Among other things David said:

    "So I thank God for the Way, because I would not have friends all over the world who I can chat/talk to and even visit once in a while...I am so amazed!"
    That's kinda what I was trying to say above in my weak attempt.

    We know an unsually large amount of friends from all over. And many of them we know well. We can sit and talk as if we just were at last years Corps week or Rock of Ages.

    Some of our friends have said "How is it you guys know so many people from all over the dang place?" We usually tell them...."It's a long story". But the ones we have told it to in detail almost inevitably say...."Sounds like it would have been fun" or "I would have liked that". One friend simply said.."I wish I had been there."

    The good far outweighs the bad IMO. That's all. (Not to discount or deny the bad.)

    Lifelong friends and aquaintences...pretty awesome indeed.

    I ain't never taking this site down. Even though NING has decided to charge me $50 a month for this and all other formerly free sites.
  • I second David Bailey!
  • Great post John!
  • Been busy traveling and handling so much in life. Havent had time to be on here lately. But now that I am catching up, I have collected a few thoughts:

    Grateful here! No real regrets for my involvement in TWI starting in 1974 and lasting until 2000. No more than, I might have had in life without TWI.

    Having stayed "in" so long we saw many facets and changes. Some good, some bad. For me it is impossible to play "what if." I was a mess when I got involved in TWI as a "kid". I, too, might not have lived much longer. Or would I have? I think I can never really know.

    It is not so simple for me to say IF I had not done ______ (fill in the blank), THEN I would be _________ (fill in the blank.) I do not like to speculate in life (or with stocks). I believe life is not so black and white sometimes.

    I liked PFAL, Most people did. It helped thousands, errors notwithstanding. And I liked the man, his errors notwithstanding. So sue me.

    I have participated in hundreds of discussions on other sites about the man and about TWI. I have heard it all and discussed it all. There is nothing you could run by me that would shock me. To be sure there were issues and problems. But It feels good to hear alternative positive opinions in a discussion like this. I can and have discussed both sides with the best of them in detail. Things have been discussed TO DEATH. (Insert your own analogy here.)

    Being an optimist at heart, I no longer have any interest in having extended discussions about a man or a ministry or a person unless it is private or unless it is positive and general if made public on this site. Repeat..."on this site". There are other sites where you may wish to analyze and disect our multifaceted experiences in TWI. Those sites can and do serve a purpose for some people. There are those who need to talk and vent and discuss. I sure did! Now I do not.

    I am a glass half full, water under the bridge kind of guy, as Rex stated, which is one of the primary reasons for my starting this site. I wanted a different approach. One which leaves out the bloat and stays stupidly simple. Not an easy task, given out backgrounds.

    Head buried in sand? No.
    Apologist? No.
    Unaware of issues and harms that may have occurred? No.


    Happy to know and make aquaintences with some of the greatest people I have ever met in my life and who went through some of the same unique experiences as we did. YES. Priceless in my opinion!
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