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George
Part of Abe's quote:
"I take it that it is best for all to leave each man free to acquire property as fast as he can. Some will get wealthy. I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good.” A. Lincoln."
Those words may be true again right now for the very brave and risk takers. You can cherry pick from among the rubble of the bubble at less than 50 cents on the dollar right now. At the very least it is a good time to buy for a young couple just purchaisng their first home that they will livein for years. Bargains aplenty. Take your pick.
But I am not sure Abe was talking about investment property back then or a mortgage. I believe they paid cash. Good for them. I believe in spite of our governments actions it is still possible to make a good living in this country. For example, if all hell is gonna break loose inflation-wise as a result of the "money printing presses" in Washington, buy Gold. It is what......$900 right now? Some experts believe it will head to owell over $2,000 in the next few years. But in the past it has proven to be a poor investment in the long haul.
I agree wholeheartedly, Ken. And I think that one measure of our own national social confusion (past and present) is the degree that we don't recognize that and understand it for what it is - the natural tendency of any living organism to self-preservation, instinctively to pursue whatever promotes continuance.
For the purpose of your discussion topic Billy, I'd present this - the "Reasonable Person" model that's frequently applied to legal determinations. This WIKIPEDIA article covers it for anyone not familiar with it. Generally it applies a fictional model of how a "reasonable person" might act under certain circumstances. It attempts to establish a standard of behavior where a duty for that behavior can be established.
Where this goes in mind in relation to this topic is that as Ken stated - every person for the most part is concerned with their own self-preservation and indeed has an obligation to be so. In the execution of that any person may also have an obligation to act on that self-interest in a way that would take into account the self-interest(s) of those around them, for two reasons in my opinion. !. would be where duty would require that action take another's interest into acccount (do no harm) and 2. would be where one's one own self-interests are served by acting in a manner that protects or promotes another's.
I can think of all sorts of examples of both that come up all the time in day to day life and dealings we have with one another, on both small and large scale.
A point to consider is that in our society it can be determined that inaction can find a person at fault if by their inaction they cause of allow another harm. The classic modern fictional example is the famous "Seinfeld" episode where the characters stood by and watched a car jacking and did nothing but make fun of the victim and film it. They're arrested and convicted of breaking the local "Good Samaritan Law". In fact the final episodes misinterpret the "reasonable person" model, presumably deliberately for the sake of humor but do illustrate the callousness of the characters in being able to witness a violent crime being committed and have no sense of the crime being committed. (Seinfeld's aim for an episodic TV comedy where there would be "no learning", fully realized I guess).
But not to digress - I'm just throwing this out as food for thought. I see a case for a "shared self-interest" where the good of all those in a system is served by the individual participation of the members and an expectation for what is "reasonable" in duty and behavior is clearly established. This could include an area like national health care.
John R.
I just read your article (and the above comments). Nice work. Since it didn't show up on the home page, I didn't see it until late last night when I chose the "view all" option. Now that I know to do so, I'll check from time to time to see if you have published anything else. I have appreciated reading your posts.
Regarding government run "health care," I certainly understand the emotional pull and the very well-meaning perspective Hope expressed above. I am self employed with a pitifully small business. I don't have health insurance (or even business liability insurance). But if that is a problem, then it is my problem, not my neighbor's. If you or anyone else wanted to buy health insurance for me and give it to me as a gift, I would accept it (not that I need it). But I could never vote for someone promising to force you to do so. That to me is immoral and I believe unconstitutional. I do not believe that not forcing others to pay for my health insurance denies me of my pursuit of happiness. "Health insurance" is such a euphemistic misnomer. It is really only about paying bills. I don't want to pay the bills for people who put no trust in God and run to the doctor every time they think they might be getting a cold. I don't live that way and shouldn't be forced to pay for others who do.
Regarding the "invisible hand"-- As much as some might like to think otherwise, apart from a real dedication to God and His Word (which very few people have), nearly everyone acts in his own self interest nearly all the time. The entrepreneur freely admits it. The politician tries to convince others that he is acting only in their interest. Yeah, right. They are both self centered. I'll take the effects of the entrepreneur's self interests over the effects of the politician's self interests any day.
Anyway, for what it is worth, that's my perspective.
Thanks for taking the time to write your stuff. Please keep the articles coming.
Bless.
Ken
As my pappy used to say...wait, no, he didn't say that.
Love
B
Knowing your heart and humor I did not take offence at your afore mentioned comments. But I do understand that communicating our, wit and wisdom can be difficult to express in this forum.
Like many, the tech bubble burst, the events of 9/11 and this latest contraction has sufficiently redistributed my wealth.
It is my concern that the Federal Government always has designs on our wallets.
History has shown that in times of crisis, socialism, fascism and other isisms rise to feed the desperation of the masses.
Americans I believe hold greater values but we all need to be reminded from time to time that all we have is not a given, and that a government that is big enough to meet all our needs is big enough to take all we have.
You are so right that we should practice and teach thrift it is the way to sound finance.
Only the Lord is too big to fail, and he needs no government bailout. You are a great man!
B
Thank you for your kind words and insightful admonition.
As I have little else to share on this site I put into words the issues that seem to be ringing in my ears. This of course is not meant —to solely—to be an indictment of any individual or even administration but to summon thought on foundational principles.
This site is a great inspiration to me in many ways and I am thankful to John for facilitating it.
My blogs are now private to all but those who have asked to be friends. I did this because I did not want to cause enmity among the brethren.
My goal is always to inform, educate and at time alarm. However, above all I wish to fellowship with the greatest people I have ever known.
Pat you have always been a dear man, full of love and compassion, we are all better off for your life.
Thanks
Still, this unchartered territory we are in is scary. When I hear those bail out numbers I cringe. We the American people own 80% of AIG now. WIll we ever see a return on our investment? Maybe, maybe not. I think "too big to fail" is kinda scary. Nothing should be too big to fail. I say let it fail. But it is quite more complicated than that I think.
I am from the old school. I believe the basic problem in America is we have not been taught to save, live within our means and abhor debt. Neither has our government,. But now I believe we are at the crest of a revisiting of those old fashioned principles. When honest Abe said the aquisition of property and houses is a good thing I believe they mostly paid cash back then. I doubt there were ARM's nothing downs, 50 year mortgages, 2nd mortgages, etc, etc. Even in the 50's and 60's the idea of a mortgage was to pay it off as fast as you could. Most did. They did not use their house or property as a giant credit card. No wonder we are in the mess we are in. Greed.
I believe the best we can all do is simplify, take care of our own and set examples for future generations. And pray a lot!