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On the surface, to say that Dr. learned what he knew from Bullinger is suspect, based on the known differences of Dr. Bullinger's conclusion, that are easily found in print. I sat in a session called the Pillars of the Church with the Jess's, the Georges and others. The question of Dr. Bullinger's writings came up, and it was attested to that these were discovered after PFAL was already being taught. There were others in the 10th Corps who were there who can also verify this.
Certainly on the question of the trinity, the stark difference is seen . While Dr. Bullinger's work on the word study of Pneauma, a case can be made, there is a void of information in the verses concerning the subject, and Dr. Bullinger was never one to leave things uncommented, but then, if you don't know, you don't know. I believe there is older work on the subject of four crucified, but I don't remember where I saw it, and finally Dr. Bullinger had this time in another Administration(see his notes in Acts 28). Also he believed structure determines interpretation, work that was not his own, and he published against the author's wishes.
On the subject of doctrine your note does not stand up based on testimony of others, and the testimony of Dr. Bullinger's printed words.
On the practical side it reminds me of a three Stooges episode where there are in a boat, and you, as Curly are drilling holes in a sinking boat, and calling it a water- letter- outer. I know the difference between edification and destruction. I built bridges in my youth, and the first thing that is done is the old bridge has to come out: wrecking ball, dynamite, and bulldozers. If 5 sticks won't do the job maybe a case will. Then comes construction, building,edifying, but your letter reminds me of the bridge in Mpls., that collapsed. They were doing construction while the bridge was open. Originally, the bridge was designed for four lanes expanded to six with no additional girders piers, or abutments added. The traffic was moved to the outside lanes, the added section beyond the dimensions of the design. Once movement occurred, or sway, it took the added lanes even farther, that's when the bridge failed. or the practical use exceeded the doctrinal design for which it was intended. The prophets of the Old Testament are the abutment on one side, The new testament is the abutment on the other side, Jesus Christ is the pier in the center of the chasm, the beams, the deck and the railing are the practicals, whether denomination, congregation, individual, family, group, sect, or cult. (The pilings on any modern bridge are driven into the ground to the point that they will hold 2,000 lbs. per sq. inch and abutments and piers may have as many as 40-60 in each structure)
Too low they build who build beneath the stars. Edward Young; on a copper plaque made out of the roof of the Library of Congress
I might screw up tomorrow, probably today, I may even be in concert with other fools wrapped up in the folly of my mind. I am a Vietnam vet. That went well. I was a W.O.W. in In Iran. That went well. My father's bridge business went bankrupt. that went well. If I beat myself as that dude did in Billy Britt's note, reciting the entire Bible, would that go well? I do not live to myself, I do not die to myself, I think I am the Lord's. John you need to remove this handle off this bag, and quit carrying it. I have never heard of post partum judgment until now, or we could dig up Dr. Wierwille and put him on trial, like the Popes of old, or LET US THEREFORE FOLLOW AFTER THE THINGS WHICH MAKE FOR PEACE, AND THE THINGS WHEREWITH ONE MAY EDIFY ANOTHER.
God bless, you're the best!
Michael H. Prahm
I have read your comment a few times ... but I admit I am not sure I understand what you are trying to ask or say.
You describe a rather sad (but almost typical?) situation found in Christianity ... I have yet to find a group that grants individuals and/or other groups the liberty to teach and believe which they claim for themselves. Seems like groups/churches have been throughout the centuries and still are rather quick to "excommunicate" others ...
Why have "churches" / "groups" and seek "unity" there? Christians seem to not have learned in 2 millenials that such "churches"/"group" mentality is at the root of the "unity" problem about which so many complain? Does the Bible teach that the unity within the church of God is found or seen when "group unity" is established? Does the Bible teach that the unity among members of the body of Christ is a "unity of the spirit"? Since when is "the unity of the spirit" withinin the body of Christ dependent on membership in churches/groups ?
How about applying Christ's advice in such a situation: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Mt 7:12) or the same truth put into other words: "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Mt 22,39-40)
you mentioned: It's all perspective when it comes to things that aren't real.
There is also a lot in perspective when it comes to things that are real ... as well as when it comes to how people read the Bible.
Not every perspective provides necessarily a correct understanding of that which one reads or sees. On the other hand, looking at something from different perspectives may vastly enhance one's understanding of a matter and provide a vital key to learning truth and to distinguishing truth from error .
"Apparently, since it's 1st showing until now, "the way it was" contention has pollutted our once flourishing, fun reunion site -- and distaste has become "the way it is. Yet again. So, where's "the profit" in all this?"
Ahh, but the good news Debra, is that all any of us have to do if we don't like what is going on in a particular blog (such as this one for you), is to simply not come to that blog anymore. Have you seen the goofy thread started by Joe Kriston? That's a fun and funny one. Personally, I like the things John Lynn shared in the opening post here in The Way, It Was, But I know for certain that we all who have moved in so many different directions are not going to see eye to eye on things. So, all I have said here for the most part is that "I liked "The Way, It Was", but haven't commented much more on it, because fighting over such things does indeed seem to be of no profit. But this is still a fun place! And I think you are wonderful! Thanks for your perspective Debra :-)
I lived on LaSalle and Division, a part of Chicago know as the "Gold Coast". A few blocks from us was the Moody Bible Institute, an institution which taught men and women things pertaining to God. As our manner was we witneesed quite a bit and met a number of students who attended "Moody" They believed in the Trinity, didn't SIT's, believed the dead are alive and blah, blah,blah. I invited them to my home for fellowship. You know the ones where one person did all the talking, no questions were asked and for the most part quite boring.
I would become so irritated with the 'lot of them" I thew them out of a fellowship one evening and asked them not to come back. I had done that on several ocassion's in my 14 years with TWI. How "shallow" is that!
I have friends that go to "fortune tellers", I have friends that subscribe to "Playboy", I have friends who are Jewish and the list goes on. I live my life openly, I do my best to walk according to what I have learned and what I continue to learn daily, hourly..Hell! by the second.
Perhaps I should have refrained from using the term "whatever floats your boat'. We know/think, ( or at least we know/think we do ), have all the answers and are so quick to point out the speck in other peoples lives/eyes when we've got this big old honkin' log in our own eyes.
I like yourself see so much in one day. I see things I would not do in my life, being done by so many daily. I have made it my "mantra" to not judge, to not get angry, to not condemn...and the list goes on. I hope this helps.
I attend a home fellowship on Tuesday evenings. It is well run with a topic discussed each evening. We don't all agree but we know deep in our hearts that we all, in the group wanna be our best.
I don't have a Harry Potter book either but my kids have read them and go to "Harry Potter" movies. I have a tendency to read self help books...not to much fiction...but hey "whatever floats your boat."
You my friend embrace these problems that encounter you. We all gotum' Most people will encounter "life's problems" and get stuck. There are those who embrace these problems "headon" and rise above them...learn and "move on"...I learned this from one of the "self help" books I'm reading.
Hey, if we keep this up John's blog will overtake Kriston's again as the most popular one of all the blogs.