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But seriously, thank you very much Steve for starting this informed discussion. Youz musician/production guyz are all out of my league, but it was very interesting to see your perspective Steve. Thanks for helping out the son of Mississippi John Hurt too. Always loved his music, and it is terrible to see how he and his family were ripped off.
And you JN folks, thanks for the memories and your beautiful songs. I especially liked the "Chicken Or The Egg?" song that you all did at PFAL '77. "All of the men down at the market place..."
nothing more to say.
Maybe going back a ways, 10 - 15 - 20 or more years, possibly, sure. Certainly many of the artists including Billy and many others - there's a lot of good music and lyrics out there. So in that scenario, I suppose we'd have to just wait and see when that barrel of money comes rolling out of the hopper. Either way it would be GREAT for the artists, because even if the Way Nash sucked that money up like a new Hoover suckin' dirt, the actual writers and performers would stand to get credited and recognized for it.
Nothing surprises me anymore, not when it comes to religion so who knows what might lurk in the heart of Shelby County under those circumstances....?
Here's a classic - the great and humble Mike Finnigan, talking about the work he did on the Hendrix album. Buddy Miles is in it too. Run up to about 4:53 and hear what Mike sez about recording on Hendrix's last and arguably best studio recordings. It's funny, in this light.
ReligionNewsBlog.com • Item 23574 • Posted: Sunday August 30, 2009
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/23574/hebraic-roots-version
Fort Worth, Texas – The Way International, an ostensibly Christian group often branded a “cult” (1) and with a history of alleged anti-Semitism (2), has filed a federal lawsuit against The Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism (also known as the Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim http://www.wnae.org), an organization of Jewish believers in Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah of Judaism.
The suit claims that the Hebraic Roots Version (HRV) Bible, the standard version of the Scriptures for many Nazarene Jews worldwide, infringes on the copyright of the Aramaic English Interlinear New Testament once published by the Way. The Way seeks through this suit, to ban the HRV Bible.
The Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism maintains that all translations of the Bible read very much alike and that the Hebraic Roots Version does not infringe on anyone else’s copyright.
This action is the latest in a series of similar legal actions by the Way International which raise questions concerning the free exercise of religion.
In 2007 The Way International sent a letter to The Way, a Baptist church located in Grant County, Kentucky, threatening to sue them over use of the name “The Way”(3)
That same year, they filed a lawsuit against “The Way Ministries” claiming trademark infringement (4).
The term “The Way” is actually a term found in the Bible for the early followers of Yeshua (Jesus) (Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23 & 24:14).
In this latest move, The Way International seeks not only to control use of the biblical term “The Way,” but also seeks to ban the accepted Scriptures of a Messianic Jewish Group.
After the expense of the first two albums and very limited sales I had to do some real convincing to V.P that I believed we should record JN..When I told him we would do it in house and keep it simple he told me OK do it
So with Mike Wheeler on the board and a two track tape Revox recorder at The Twig Coffee House in St. Marys Ohio we started laying down song after song . Now mind you this was a direct mix so what you played and sang is what you got From those sessions came Joyful Noise 1, 2.and 3. That endeavor paid for itself or at least we broke even. From that point on JN and others produced more albums..
Yes John we gave our time and talent for the glory of God and His Son Jesus Christ We never expected that we would receive royalty checks in the mail
To this day I' m so thankful I got to serve with wonder filled musicians and singers like you. Really John the only one that got ripped off was the devil.
God Bless You,Janet ,And Family
Love You Brother
Ted
To this day I'm so thankful that I got to serve The Body Of Christ with wonder filled musicians and singers .
like you. Really John because of our efforts the only one that got ripped off was the devil
God Bless You ,Janet,and Family.
Ted
In regards to the ownership of the music Joyful Noise wrote and produced I can give you my perspective, which may or may not match anyone else's, so take it for what it's worth. When I went into the Way Corps (4) it was with the intention of doing work with music and what we then referred to as "the Music Ministry". The songs that we wrote and the music produced was certainly ours (and the many others who participated), I doubt anyone would debate that, perhaps from a philisophical view, abstractly, but the product was produced by people, albeit with inspiration and mental and emotional fuel that came from what we believed in and what we were doing. But whoever wrote the song wrote it from "their" heart and it was out of a sense of collective respect for God and the Body of Christ that I signed anything. There were some things I didn't but in regards to JN it was a very special and specific piece of work and time, for me.
Once JN solidified and we went to work it was paid for by the finances of the Way Nash, whose money came from the members of the Way in donations. I don't know the details of the Way's finances over the years but I think contributions and donations over the years of varying kinds and amounts would account for where the dough came from.
In that way I always felt that the Way's people "owned" the music, in an indirect way. I don't mean that by legal definition but rather simply that the music produced was produced for them and with their support. They paid for it, it was on their dime and it certainly honored the music that people like yourself and others heard it and enjoyed it. It was a collaborative effort on all sides. As Ted noted, over the years the charges for the recordings ("albums" and tapes) never made money for anyone. There was a cost to buy them but it was minimal and had no real profit margin factored in once you did the math. The perspective was to do something for "God's people" and to try and move the effort forward, one person at a time if need be. So it was a different kind of endeavor.
Still, if I wanted to record or use one of the JN songs I wouldn't ask the Way for permission, I'd ask the composer. From what I've been told they threw out all of the older stuff anyway, and have no interest in it. Good for them, I don't relish it being associated with that organization at this point anyway, but that's me, others might feel differently.
It was what it was, as they say and I'd have to say - if the love of money isn't the root of all evil it's paying for whatever is, soooooooooooooooo, caution and care is required when moving in the Big Bucks Arena's of business, politics, religion, etc. Lots of it. : )