Pat, originally founding member of "Cookin Mama" with Glenda Sue Maxwell(1 st Corps), latter lead guitar with Pat Travers, Meat Loaf etc. Bill, target of much witnessing, originally founding member of Sons of Champlin, then wrote "After the lovin" for Earth Wind and Fire (it won a grammy), then Chigao from their 16 album to present. also recently reformed the "Sons" in which Skip Mesquite sits in with in the SF area.
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